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SQL Server Denali Column Store indexes
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SQL Server Denali Column Store indexes
They showed at PASS yesterday a scan against a 800 Billion table and it took only 19 seconds
You can download a PDF describing the columnar storage here: http://download.microsoft.com/download/ ... r%2011.pdf
You can download a PDF describing the columnar storage here: http://download.microsoft.com/download/ ... r%2011.pdf
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Re: SQL Server Denali Column Store indexes
Denis,
In that they mentioned its for datawarehouses only... Can we use for our normal OLTP applications also???
In that they mentioned its for datawarehouses only... Can we use for our normal OLTP applications also???
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Re: SQL Server Denali Column Store indexes
ramireddyindia wrote:Denis,
In that they mentioned its for datawarehouses only... Can we use for our normal OLTP applications also???
it is read only so no OLTP..remember storing data in a columnar table is more expensive than a row table, getting it out is much faster
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Re: SQL Server Denali Column Store indexes
Thanks Denis,
We are having an database, in which daily morning we will be importing 200000 records into single table. Can i use column store here if i use Denali? Do i need to setup any extra effort to use this column store like creating any fact tables etc etc???
We are having an database, in which daily morning we will be importing 200000 records into single table. Can i use column store here if i use Denali? Do i need to setup any extra effort to use this column store like creating any fact tables etc etc???
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Re: SQL Server Denali Column Store indexes
SQLDenis wrote:They showed at PASS yesterday a scan against a 800 Billion table and it took only 19 seconds
You can download a PDF describing the columnar storage here: http://download.microsoft.com/download/ ... r%2011.pdf
i about pooed myself when i read that...
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Re: SQL Server Denali Column Store indexes
ramireddyindia wrote:Thanks Denis,
We are having an database, in which daily morning we will be importing 200000 records into single table. Can i use column store here if i use Denali? Do i need to setup any extra effort to use this column store like creating any fact tables etc etc???
The column storage is not available in CTP1, it will be part of CTP2 probably
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Re: SQL Server Denali Column Store indexes
ok...Thanks Denis...
Another question Denis
How you are playing with CTP from last 2 weeks, if it is announced only on monday?? Being a MVP, you will get additional privileges?
Another question Denis

How you are playing with CTP from last 2 weeks, if it is announced only on monday?? Being a MVP, you will get additional privileges?
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Re: SQL Server Denali Column Store indexes
ramireddyindia wrote:ok...Thanks Denis...
Another question Denis
How you are playing with CTP from last 2 weeks, if it is announced only on monday?? Being a MVP, you will get additional privileges?
Denis is privy to a lot of info that he can't tell us. He gets all the shiny things early.
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Re: SQL Server Denali Column Store indexes
ramireddyindia wrote:Being a MVP, you will get additional privileges?
Yes
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Re: SQL Server Denali Column Store indexes
Think of it this way.... you have 10 years of data in monthly partitions..all you have to do is upload the latest data and then just switch in a partition
See page 7 of the pdf
See page 7 of the pdf
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Re: SQL Server Denali Column Store indexes
riverguy wrote:SQLDenis wrote:ramireddyindia wrote:Denis,
In that they mentioned its for datawarehouses only... Can we use for our normal OLTP applications also???
it is read only so no OLTP..remember storing data in a columnar table is more expensive than a row table, getting it out is much faster
If it is read-only, that implies that the indexes would need to be dropped and then rebuilt after a load of data? So in effect, this is not unlike processing a measure group after a data load in SSAS. And I would assume the equivalent to SSAS partitions would be to simply partition the SQL tables? If this is the case, it sounds like it could save some work if someone did not want to go down the SSAS route. However, the UDM and MDX are valuable enough in their own right to stick with SSAS for many.
To move data into a columnstore table you can switch in a partition, or disable the columnstore index, update the table, and rebuild the index.
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