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Postby SQLDenis on Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:56 pm

I was thinking about this the other day...let's say I get hit by a truck

My wife and kids don't know any of my logins for email, sites in general or even the computer at home


In this case what do you do?


Do you create some some of scheduled email that will go to your loved once a year from now (unless you are alive and reschedule it) or do you give the info to a lwyer for example?


How would you handle this?


BTW I am not dying or anything like it..just was thinking about this after I read that a family had trouble getting a soldier's email account accesses..they had to provide a death certificate etc etc
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Re: What happens when you die?

Postby Remou on Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:04 pm

I keep a file on the desktop of my main laptop and a sealed envelope. I have considered a solicitor, but have not got that far.
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Re: What happens when you die?

Postby SQLDenis on Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:24 pm

I have heard of people who will use 3 people and 2 passwords and a lawyer. it takes 2 people to get 1 password


2 passwords
person 1 half of pw 1 and half of pw 2
person 2 half of pw 1 and half of pw 2 (one of them is the same half as the above person)
person 3 half of pw 1 and half of pw 2 (one of them is the same half as the above person)


The lawyer will contact these people in the case of the person dying, 2 of them are needed to give him one of the passwords, with that password he can unlock the file that the person gave him to get instruction on what to do next
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Re: What happens when you die?

Postby chrissie1 on Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:25 pm

I give all my passwords to my wife.
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Re: What happens when you die?

Postby Remou on Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:46 pm

chrissie1 wrote:I give all my passwords to my wife.


Not everyone is as close as you and TK. :)
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Re: What happens when you die?

Postby tarwn on Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:41 pm

heh, nice.

I started a keypass file with all my home passwords, websites, bills, bank, etc. I haven't figured out how to share it yet, but I have it stored in my dropbox folder so i can access it if the home machine is not available, online, whatever.

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Re: What happens when you die?

Postby Chopstik on Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:50 pm

Interestingly enough, I have been dealing with this recently. A good friend of mine passed away a year ago. I saw his parents last week and they were asking me if I knew how to get past the password-protected login of his XP machine as they want to see if there is anything that they want to keep in remembrance of him (pictures and the like). I've been trying to help them but no joy so far. He apparently left no other way to get the information. I guess, worst comes to worst, they can always yank the drive and get to it as an external hard drive (using an enclosure or something similar), but they don't want to do that at this point.

The point being that now his parents are trying to deal with this problem because no other measures to have it available were prepared before his (untimely and unexpected) death.

I think I will be making a list of everything so that my better half will have the information handy should it ever be needed. Thanks for the reminder, Denis.
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Re: What happens when you die?

Postby SQLDenis on Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:42 pm

See here: http://www.grape-info.com/doc/win2000sr ... asswd.html

you probably can also use knoppix to bbot upt the box and grab from the drive what you need
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Re: What happens when you die?

Postby Emtucifor on Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:54 pm

CAUTION

It is my understanding that just changing the password of an NT user (well, changing the hash of the password anyway) works but will permanently destroy access to any NT-filesystem encrypted files encrypted under that user name. Unless you can also change it back. Which you can't if you didn't keep a copy of it...

So I would use the following strategy:

1. Pop the existing hash of the user and save it in safe place.
2. Change the hash of the user to the one for the new desired password, using the above utility Denis linked to.
3. Look for anything encrypted and if it does exist and looks important, continue with step 4, otherwise you're done and you have access.
4. Use the rainbow tables NT/LanMan hash crack on the hash to pop the real password. There once was a free online service for this that worked (especially if the password was less than a certain length and didn't use a lot of unusual symbols).
5. With the original password in hand (or extremely unlikely, another password that hashes to the same hash), you can go to step 2 to change the password, which will also set the hash back to the original. You have full access to all the files.

And an additional step, to be done first:
0. Test out this whole procedure on an unimportant user account. Most importantly ensure you can restore the original password hash or you're out of luck, even if you learn what the original password was.
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Re: What happens when you die?

Postby Remou on Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:57 pm

As this is a beloved, dead child, I would say buy an expert.
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Re: What happens when you die?

Postby ZmrAbdulla on Thu Oct 14, 2010 9:58 am

I don't worry about my emails & forum posts.
I worry only about what will happen my wife & kids after me
And Where I will go after my death.. Hell or Heaven?

Interestingly enough, I have been dealing with this recently. A good friend of mine passed away a year ago. I saw his parents last week and they were asking me if I knew how to get past the password-protected login of his XP machine as they want to see if there is anything that they want to keep in remembrance of him (pictures and the like). I've been trying to help them but no joy so far. He apparently left no other way to get the information. I guess, worst comes to worst, they can always yank the drive and get to it as an external hard drive (using an enclosure or something similar), but they don't want to do that at this point.


Simply boot the machine from a Linux Live CD and get what you want from that machine.
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Re: What happens when you die?

Postby tomsa on Mon May 23, 2011 5:26 am

I can't watch hollywood movies anymore. I will miss my mom and friends. I will have to leave my favorite laptop! Oh GOD, i don't want to die soon! #-o
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